{"id":4115,"date":"2016-12-21T12:53:01","date_gmt":"2016-12-21T10:53:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/?p=4115"},"modified":"2023-05-08T16:30:46","modified_gmt":"2023-05-08T13:30:46","slug":"andrey-rarst-savchenko-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/andrey-rarst-savchenko-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Andrey &#8220;Rarst&#8221; Savchenko Interview &#8211; &#8220;Let WordPress be what it wants to be!&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When we started <a href=\"https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/category\/wordpress-community\/interviews\/\">this interview series<\/a> a little while back, I never expected to see such a high level of involvement. Most of the people that we reached out to agreed to do the interview straight away.<\/p>\n<p>I was expecting weeks to go by before we get their answers back. However, the WordPress community keeps surprising me all the time (in a good way).<\/p>\n<p>The same thing happened with <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Rarst\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@Rarst<\/a>, aka Andrey Savchenko, whom I first met on Twitter. Actually, I met him in Berlin, volunteering for my first WordCamp, but we never really talked. I was busy volunteering, and he kept his distance. I didn&#8217;t really know what to make of Rarst. Plus he&#8217;s one of those people who doesn&#8217;t follow you back. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>One year later, we met again in his hometown. This time Rarst was a first-time (and last-time, as he claims) organizer at the first WordCamp Kiev. I was the only Romanian there, so I couldn&#8217;t swing by unnoticed.<\/p>\n<p>Turns our Rarst is one of the people that I spent the best time talking with at a WordCamp. A cynical being, yet with the right amount of irony, it was a pleasure to discover a kindred spirit.<\/p>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-3\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><img data-opt-id=571264868  fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-4192\" style=\"border-radius: 50%;\" src=\"https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:auto\/h:auto\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg\" alt=\"Andrey Rarst Savchenko interview\" width=\"512\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:512\/h:512\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 512w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:150\/h:150\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 150w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:300\/h:300\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 300w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:50\/h:50\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 50w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:240\/h:240\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 240w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:397\/h:397\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 397w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:148\/h:148\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 148w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:195\/h:195\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 195w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:135\/h:135\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 135w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:512\/h:512\/q:mauto\/f:best\/dpr:2\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst.jpg 2x\" sizes=\"(max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-2-3\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">For those who don&#8217;t know Rarst, he is a community elected moderator at WordPress Stack Exchange, a 6-time WordCamp speaker, he blogs at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rarst.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rarst.net<\/a>, and he takes THE best portrait photos of WordPressers (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/rarst\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">see his Flickr<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Here are Rarst&#8217;s answers about his affair with WordPress. You can find them too perky or even too blunt, but surely you won&#8217;t find them boring!<\/p>\n<p>Enjoy the read:<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2>Andrey &#8220;Rarst&#8221; Savchenko Interview<\/h2>\n<h4>When and how did you start working with WordPress? Is there an interesting story here?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">I started to use WordPress for my site in 2008. I got into development side of things and later got active on <a href=\"http:\/\/wordpress.stackexchange.com\/users\/847\/rarst?tab=profile\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">WordPress Stack Exchange<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In 2011, I quit my day job and switched to WordPress development working remotely.<\/p>\n<p>The most dramatic version of this story I could muster had been <a href=\"https:\/\/heropress.com\/essays\/finding-your-place\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">an opening essay of HeroPress project<\/a>.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What&#8217;s your technique for staying productive throughout the day?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">When I hear &#8220;productive&#8221; I think these days people often mean &#8220;busy&#8221; and that is not something I like to be.<\/p>\n<p>I look for engaging tasks, which make time fly and things happen. When I need some help to get focused I use Pomodoro timer.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>How do you define &#8220;being successful&#8221;?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">I started to weave a definition of incredible wit and eloquence but realized I have no idea.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What do you like to do when you&#8217;re not WordPress-ing?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">I read science fiction. Alternate between cleaning and messing up my place. Play a bit of board games with friends and too much Hearthstone by myself.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What do you wish more people knew about WordPress?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">That <code>query_posts()<\/code> is bad for you.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, and <a href=\"https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/gpl\/\">how GPL actually works<\/a>.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>Who&#8217;s doing things that are just cutting-edge and incredible in the WordPress space right now?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">It is hard to tell. Much of public WordPress conversations revolve around mass market solutions. The advanced things happen in custom projects.<\/p>\n<p>If I have to name names, Giuseppe Mazzapica and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alainschlesser.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Alain Schlesser<\/a>. They had been producing incredible code and content on advanced topics lately.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>Describe the WordPress community in one word.<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><strong>Quixotic.<\/strong><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What&#8217;s the one thing you&#8217;d like to change about WordPress?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-6\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">\u00a0<\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-2-3\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">\n<blockquote><p>I have no interest to change WordPress left. I learned to let it be what it wants to be and not worry about it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img data-opt-id=205812377  fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-4196\" style=\"border-radius: 50%;\" src=\"https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:auto\/h:auto\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg\" alt=\"Andrey Rarst Savchenko interview\" width=\"60\" height=\"60\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:200\/h:200\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 200w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:150\/h:150\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 150w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:50\/h:50\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 50w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:148\/h:148\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 148w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:195\/h:195\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 195w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:135\/h:135\/q:mauto\/f:best\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 135w, https:\/\/mllj2j8xvfl0.i.optimole.com\/cb:c5QE.37290\/w:200\/h:200\/q:mauto\/f:best\/dpr:2\/https:\/\/themeisle.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/rarst2.jpg 2x\" sizes=\"(max-width: 60px) 100vw, 60px\" \/><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-6\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">\u00a0<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What&#8217;s the main threat to WordPress these days? Other platforms like Ghost, or maybe things like Squarespace?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">WordPress is a main threat to itself.<\/p>\n<p>It chose to focus on users and pay for that with awful experience for developers. It is now <a href=\"http:\/\/stackoverflow.com\/research\/developer-survey-2016#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the second most dreaded technology<\/a>, according to annual StackOverflow survey.<\/p>\n<p>WordPress moves higher and higher, but high is not always the same as forward.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4>What are your recommendations for a WordPress novice?<\/h4>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-1-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\"><em>Andrey Savchenko:<\/em><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-4-5\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">Everyone can use things. Learn deeply how things work and how to use them well &#8211; be it code, business, or community.<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong><em>That concludes our Andrey &#8220;Rarst&#8221; Savchenko interview. 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